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QAnon - higher ed. 1 

It is fascinating to me how the thing that bonds a lot of Qultists together is hubris.
Usually folks who have B.A.s or a B.S. and constantly reiterate on it. They have enough certification to feel like they are an expert, while not recognizing that the purpose of undergraduate education is exposure.
YET I saw a post on one of the websites openly saying PhDs are nearly impossible to red pill. They are always close to realizing things but fall short.

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QAnon - higher ed. 2 

This isn't saying you need a PhD to not fall into a conspiracy theory. What I'm saying is that hubris is incredibly dangerous. It'd be like me, with my shitty bike mechanic skills, deciding that I know everything about how machines work and thus know how and why Biden is actually a clone.
Hubris isn't something that I see discussed a lot, because it can become a 'higher than thou' situation, but I think that college can feed its development. Especially as colleges become

QAnon - higher ed. 3 

profit focused and move away from the liberal arts goals of making students better thinkers.
It doesn't shock me that many QAnon followers consistently refer to their degree because of the way neoliberal higher ed functions. The amount of times undergraduates have argued with me over my expertise implying that I know less than them makes this outcome incredibly unsurprising.

Before I get called an intellectual elitist - I think neoliberalized education is the problem.
Education itself is amazing
Im a teacher former college instructor.
Im not saying that you need grad school to not experience a false sense of expertise.
Im saying we need the type of community grad school stresses - youre not an expert you need to learn more - to combat the impacts of neoliberalized education and the hubris it supports.
Im arguing for community, not saying everyone needs grad school

@Cyborgneticz i don’t think you’re an elitist, but I would highly disagree with this characterization of grad school from my experience. Grad school, in my experience, tends to deepen hubris, in a sunk cost fallacy. “How could I have spent all this time in institutions and NOT have learned?”

@MordecaiMartin That's a really helpful perspective to have. I wonder what makes people's experiences so different. I'm thinking like pattern of department mentality and culture

@Cyborgneticz could be elitism of institutions too. Since Atenea is at an R1 Ivy League school, I mostly meet people who either know that’s bs or believe in their own elitism

cynical, academic job market 

@MordecaiMartin Aaah yeah Ivy League nonsense is...special. It is interesting going to an R1 state school with a decently ranked political theory program (like 23 or some shit). I think maybe that aspect of it keeps you humble. Like it's a good school, but no one in academia will respect you or give you a job since it's not an Ivy League

@MordecaiMartin @Cyborgneticz Yeah, I wouldn't say academics with a phd are famous for being humble. The ego of some professors...

Probably people (usually) pick some good skills in grad school that help avoid this kind of conspiracy theory, but I wouldn't say they lack in hubris.

@eldaking @MordecaiMartin I'm thinking it's probably a culture thing - Ivy League vs State school being one aspect.
I haven't encountered the same egos that a friend of mine who went to Georgetown dealt with, which isn't to say the professors I've worked with were any less intelligent, but I think there's a different mentality. I think the culture of Ivy League, Chicago, and California schools prob lend themselves to that culture, which is something I'm *thankfully* shielded from.

@Cyborgneticz @MordecaiMartin Probably plays a big part, yeah.

Also depends on the area - engineering, medical and law schools are infamously bad.

@eldaking @MordecaiMartin That's a good point, field plays a big role.
I should ask my friends doing law school in Louisiana their experiences vs my friends who went to bougie law school. Cause Louisiana you have to learn Napoleonic Code + regular law, and that has to do something to law school culture.

I bet it's snobbier lmao

@MordecaiMartin @Cyborgneticz And when I say "usually", I'm thinking about how there is a fucking flat-earther professor in the local geology department.

It's almost unbelievable.

@eldaking @MordecaiMartin Mais they'll keep on these assholes but then adjunct out positions and never give ppl a chance cause those types of ppl clutching onto tenure with their hands.
Don't even have full words.

argument culture, echo culture 

@Cyborgneticz its one of the many reasons I am worried about the end of Internet argument culture and the rise of social media echo culture ("stop sealioning" "stop JAQing off" "its your responsibility to educate yourself" and various four-letter slurs). Internet debate culture was much more accessible than higher education, and seeing that articulate people have a variety of opinions erodes excess certainty.

argument culture, echo culture 

@bookandswordblog You described this in much better words than I have to describe it.

QAnon - higher ed. 1 

@Cyborgneticz its a well known pattern that engineers are over-represented in crank, fundamentalist, and reactionary terrorist movements (but not lefty terrorist movements). spectrum.ieee.org/telecom/secu IEEE Spectrum had the story in 2008 but they were not the only ones.

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