Thread: About Windows 11's high system requirements. You know, a lot of blind people, who don't have jobs, live on social security and disability money, and who definitely don't have the newest computers, won't get Windows 11. This could have been a great chance for Linux to step up and say loud and proud "Because we support every person's ability to choose their system, and use and learn about computers, we will never force upon users what system they must run. And because we stand proudly with people with disabilities, all blind people are welcome in the world of free and open source software, where they can learn and create just like everyone else."

But no. Gnome, one of the most popular desktops on Linux, is trash with accessibility. KDE is working on it, but that'll take years. Who's ever heard of Mate? And who makes current software for the command line, for users and not other developers?

I mean, we've got a lot of great programmers who are blind. On Windows. Yeah some may try Linux, and a few may stick with it *despite* its accessibility bullcrap. But most are on Windows. Two of them have recently created [this Twitter client](masonasons.me/pages/quinter.ph) in Python, I believe. Look at this. Imagine all these programmers, helping out with Linux. But they don't. Why? Because Linux folks don't give a crap about us. So yeah, we stick with the giant evil corpse that, oh my gosh, actually has enough accessibility to where we can be somewhat productive. When you use Linux, be thankful that you have working eyes to see that beautiful KDE interface, or that animation that let's you know that your code has built successfully, or that QT program that Orca will never work with.

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@devinprater
...it's the duct-tapers' loop.
David Graeber wrote about it...hold on, sorry, HI! I'm deeply concerned about the development of accessibility technologies, and their implementation in Free and Open Source Softwares.

I took away that Gnome (3? the newest Gnome ?) , KDE...wait...did you ask who's even heard of Mate ? *(all the people who refuse to use Gnome 3...) um..

So yeah, those windows people go home and night, and to sleep, make code commits to FOSS projects. 1&theSAME.(1/2

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@abbaxi It may just be me, but ... your reply is a little hard to understand. The part about Microsoft developers coming home and hacking on FOSS gives Linux an even worse name, since that would pretty much mean that Linux is wherethey go when they don't want to have to worry about supporting accessibility and such. And yeah, from what I've read, it seems like most Linux folks haven't heard of Mate. At least, when a list of desktops are given in articles and such, Mate is rarely, if even, mentioned.

@devinprater

Ok.. Linux is a different group than Mate. Mate is a different group than Gnome. KDE is a different group.. an actual group of people with different development aims, than Linux. The kernel is not the userland, and you use the same name, as though there's "one group of people" doing this. There ARE one groups of people making windows. There ARE one group of people making Apple stuff. There are THOUSANDS of unconnected groups working on the FOSS ecosystem. Apples and Apple seeds.

@abbaxi Oh, I see what you mean. Okay, when I refer to Linux, I mean userland. Desktop environments, programs, all that. I'll rarely be referring to the kernel.

@devinprater
sent you a DM :) hey, please, if you know any collection of accessibility issues for any of those userland projects, I'd be happy to troll their project home-pages, and see if the developers can work on those issues you bring up. Would give me a much needed break from arguing with racists online. :)

@abbaxi I'll definitely gather some and sendthem to you. I suspect that Gnome40 doesn't have many yet, but KDE seems a lot more promising ofa DE, maybe they keep track of them. And I've been asked to write a document that should unify UI expectations and rules for how a blind person would use a GUI. I'm definitely not an expert on UI design, but I’ll do my best if it helps FOSS

@devinprater
thanks :D I would love to help get these userland projects to develop in the right direction.

@abbaxi I would too. It's just really hard when there's just like a few of us, and the few other blind Arch Linux users are just... They isolate themselves into anIRC server and have given up trying to get userland developers to listen.

@devinprater :D I DO NOT GIVE UP :D

also, BSD developers might be more amenable to listening.

BSD is designed. Linux is grown.
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@devinprater
can you send me the link for the blind arch linux users IRC ?

@abbaxi Oh it's not just for Arch users, I just mean most blind Linux folks use Arch. It's at irc.linux-a11y.org

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