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The Orville and :Trek: opinions (thread, sorry) 

There's a scene in which Kelly just nonchalantly tells us that poverty etc went away, ushering in The Future, because of the invention of their equivalent of the replicator

And I think this tells us a lot about Seth McFarlane and a particular kind of Star Trek superfan who manages somehow to miss the entire point of Star Trek

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The Orville and :Trek: opinions (thread, sorry) 

The writers of the original Star Trek were always very careful to say "we're not entirely sure how humanity got its shit together," I think out of an understandable humility that it might be tricky to lay out a game-plan for a 300 year programme of universal human betterment

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The Orville and :Trek: opinions (thread, sorry) 

In fact, that is explicitly the premise of some entire episodes of Star Trek, where the main gist is to establish that humanity might not get from the present to a utopian future, and it's up to us to figure out how to do so

So the idea that the invention of a *really* good 3D printer is all it would take to end our exploitative economic system and bring about a post-scarcity future is about the most naive thing ever

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The Orville and :Trek: opinions (thread, sorry) 

In Star Trek, the egalitarian post-national post-scarcity uptopian society brings about technological progress, including replicators, not the other way around

But Seth McFarlane actually believes that, or at least that that was what Star Trek was saying

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And deep down, I think there's a similar impulse behind so much of technosolutionism—it's this misguided belief that the solutions we need will come about just by technological progress, without having to address the more difficult questions

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E.g. here's a ridiculous idea: there isn't high-speed railway mass-transit in America because the *technology* isn't there yet, so we need to invent the hyperloop, and once that technology is there, the economic problems that stood in the way of regular high-speed rail will disappear for some reason

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If we want a Star Trek future, or a future of the type that Star Trek gestured at (the actual depiction missed the mark in a lot of ways, but the spirit behind it is pretty solid), we have to figure our own damn shit out and do the hard soul-searching work of dismantling the exploitative parts of our world

It won't happen by itself just by throwing technology at it

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@bgcarlisle i feel like one of the things tos had going for it, in terms of “how did we get here,” was also ... i dunno, the eugenics wars and concurrent/following calamity seems like it may have led into some of the subsequent social changes

it’s not just “we invented stuff and it’s all fine now!” it’s “yeah terrible shit still happened along the way and that echoes into the (future)modern era”

The Orville and :Trek: opinions (thread, sorry) 

@aflightybroad Yeah there was a lot of "things may get worse before they get better"

The Orville and :Trek: opinions (thread, sorry) 

@bgcarlisle There was a Cory Doctorow near-future novel that described a non-revolution movement that was rooted in 3d printing.

Actually being able to compete with industrial conglomerates in producing necessities (from clothes to drugs) would be great boon to anarchistic movements.

The Orville and :Trek: opinions (thread, sorry) 

@jacek @bgcarlisle "Makers" right?

The Orville and :Trek: opinions (thread, sorry) 

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I'm not sure. But looks like it. Anyways I'd guess this was done during his CC period (and he is decent enough to read all his works)
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The Orville and :Trek: opinions (thread, sorry) 

@ThatTupperKid @bgcarlisle

Ha! not makers (it turns out I did not read it) it is Walkaway: tor.com/2017/03/20/excerpts-co

About people being able to literally "Walk Away" from capitalistic society due to 3d printing (more like first gen star treck replicators).

I recommend this one also.

The Orville and :Trek: opinions (thread, sorry) 

@jacek @bgcarlisle I've been meaning to read Walkaway! It does seem like Doctorow has a substantial amount of overlap between his stories at times. A really iterative approach to exploring ideas

The Orville and :Trek: opinions (thread, sorry) 

@bgcarlisle gawd I love this thread its so fuckin real

The Orville and :Trek: opinions (thread, sorry) 

@bgcarlisle Another world where Replicators did not work as in Star Treck is "System Shock 2". There due to patents single corp owns them, and nanites (input to all replicators) are de-facto currency. And you hack replicators to get better prices too.

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@bgcarlisle Great thread, thank you. SO MUCH THIS.

The Orville and :Trek: opinions (thread, sorry) 

@bgcarlisle I feel like this kinda ties into this other idea people have that everything is tied to some nebulous concept of 'intelligence'. E.g. If someone makes a lot of money in our capitalistic system, that means they're 'smart', which means they'd make a good leader, which means their opinion on what's moral and just must also be right.

But the person with the most enlightened opinion might not be someone who the masses would consider 'smart'.

The Orville and :Trek: opinions (thread, sorry) 

@bgcarlisle We eventually did get a peek at some of it during TNG. Some storylines in Ireland should be ripening, and then there is the post-apocalyptic horror.

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