If you're white, using "woke" pejoratively is racist
@trev Tbh, that's just a racist variation on the saying something is "virtue signalling," which usually just means that a person wants to undermine an obviously correct moral stance without actually engaging with it and so I think the whole concept could probably go in the trash
If someone is betraying one of their moral principles you could call them a "hypocrite," but that is different and requires engaging with the other person's actions and morality and not just sneering at their aesthetics
@bgcarlisle Thanks for the thoughtful response.
I understand your viewpoint as far as rejection of the phrase (since it is appropriative), and definitely its application to people participating in activism, but I'm not sure I agree that it's a complete equivalence. 1/2
@bgcarlisle Things like government agencies or corporations using the language of social justice in their press releases while furthering the MIC do embody a special kind of hypocrisy, but the insidiousness is in the appropriation and so I think it may deserve a more particular label to be meaningfully discussed. 2/2
@Thomas Sure, Black people came up with a term for awareness of social issues: "staying woke"
Then white people started using it, but mostly in a sneering, ironic way
Now a term that was meaningful and useful (just not to white people) is nearly ruined for the people who came up with it to put it to its original use, because it's been poisoned by ironic/pejorative uses
By using it pejoratively, one participates in that
And as others have stated, white people probably shouldn't say it at all
@bgcarlisle no I'm saying there. The word woke used to have a meaning until white people started using it even before they started using it as an insult. As a person of colour. One thing I've learned is that once a word is in the Zeitgeist of white people. The word is done.
@bgcarlisle that's just what I'm basically saying is that anytime White People Co-Op the word that word is now dead. The best thing for white people to do is not Co-op words. Remember me to? Remember how like it was made by a black woman but we don't talk about that anymore? I mean one would think that me-too is only for white women by the way it's used on social media apps like this and others.
@Jaded905 Yes, absolutely
Sorry for the blunt initial response, I mis-read it and thought you were trying to change the subject to minimize how racist it is, my fault
@bgcarlisle no I wasn't. I was just saying that this is basically the future of anything that white people feel the need to hook their wagon to. It's wild to see so many things that meant something died because white people felt the need to grab onto it. It is really like you can't have anything in this life if you're anything other than a white person. Jesus Christ
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