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I am new at this instance: I'm an architect and PhD on social sciences who studies the commodifications between , and in the context of the Urban Studies and I am now pursuing a more data-scientist approach. I've been using for some years and I am now starting with

I'm looking for people with similar research interests or who can help me improving my skills.

Thanks @cxli for kindly introducing me to this nice ritual.

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@cxli thanks for the recommendation! I am positively surprised by how welcoming seem to be people here (not like in other social networks ;) )!

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Also, is anyone interested in slow science movement? I'd love to meet people and discuss about finding/creating ways for science to be less predatory/capitalistic/dehumanized

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@bgcarlisle Thank you! Is it really true that you make academic problems dissapear? If so, I am looking for a job in UK and an opportunity to take a new approach to my academic career 🤞

@ccamara Okay I'm like one of those old-timey tricky fairies who makes magical things happen but at a terrible price

@bgcarlisle hum... too risky, then. I do not want to hand you my first-born child in order to get a job! 😱 I love science, and I'd love to be paid for doing it, but not at any price! 😉

@ccamara Super nice! What kind of questions are you looking at now using a data-driven approach?

Your domain seems very interesting for AI, since there is a lot of domain knowledge that I would think can be translated into predicate logic (to use logical AI, things like prolog) and also a lot of data you can gather from smart cities about people.

@artificialphilosopher glad you find it useful! So far, I have never used data science for my own research, but I am willing to do it.

I am ashamed to admit that I still don't know about AI, maybe you can point me to learning resources for newbies like me?

@ccamara IMHO the best book for AI is Russell and Norvig's Artificial Intelligence: A Modern Approach. You can go to any chapter and they explain everything very well. You don't need to read the whole chapters (except maybe the intro), but the beginnings are very informative already.

@ccamara @cxli Welcome!

Vaguely similar research interests here (urbanisation and resource governance, particularly in Asia).

Also learning R and Python, though I cannot claim any expertise at all. Just began relearning R after a decade and Python for the first time :)

@ccamara I heard the term "slow science" for the first time today and immediately twice. Is this a thing now?

We need a manifesto. 😎

@VictorVenema @Steno @phel To be honest, I don't think it's a thing now. As far as I know, a group of scientists (don't know who, though) wrote in 2010 a manifesto agains the predatory nature of the paradigm that has turned into an and a way of (self)exploitation. slow-science.org/

@VictorVenema @Steno @phel Unfortunately, I do not know how has it evolved, other than unfortunately it is still valid 10 years later. And most importantly, I do not know if there have been more specific actions in that matter.

@ccamara @Steno @phel Interesting. I really like the term and think we need to get back to slow science, to quality over quantity to (ironically) make faster scientific progress.

We loose so much talent due to the shitty labour conditions in science. All the proposal writing and shitty bulk article writing take so much time away from real and risky science.

No idea why they do not like blogging and Twitter. 😉

@VictorVenema @ccamara @phel
I've read the manifesto. I mostly agree! I wonder though whether the original signataries had eventually to choose between life and the academic rat race (could be me in 1 year time). Indeed, it is not the best position to negotiate change. Sometimes I wonder whether there could be space for extra academic quality science in a self-organized way (even for hard experimental sciences).

@Steno @ccamara @phel I do not see much space for doing science outside of science. There are interesting jobs on the edge of science, but doing science at night while working during the day is really hard.

You see it in PhD students who have to finish their thesis while doing other work, even if the other work is also science.

What may help is the temper your ambitions. Especially if many would do so. Most are likely not close to the cut off and could optimize metrics less & do science more.

@ccamara Cool that you mention it! I haven't heard of that term yet, but recently reading the book "Lost in math: how beauty leads physics astray" (Hossenfelder, 2018) had me thinking about the effects of capitalism and output-driven money allocation in research...

@LienRag Hello, unfortunately, the only thing I know about is 2010's manifesto: slow-science.org/

But as I was saying here scholar.social/@ccamara/104154 don't know how has it evolved or if there have been more specific actions beyond that. I'd love to go in that direction, but this can't be made alone.

@ccamara

So baiscally it's science done following the scientific method ?
Not a bad thing, but from your first message I thought it was a deeper epistemic revolution (and was a bit wary that, as many before them, they had not a very rigorous understanding of epistemology to begin with).

@ccamara

And against the Publish or Perish mentality, I think there's bien a lot of initiatives both in France and internationnally...

@LienRag I'm not sure of having understood your point. IMHO nobody is questioning scientific method, but the current industry/system/business built around it (the that you mentioned). Even though they seem to be mixed today, they are two completely different and independent domains.

I am really interested in those initiatives that you are refering against Publish or Perish. Could you provide more details, please?

@ccamara

I think that Sauvez la Recherche has produced theoritical texts, even if their main concern is budget cuts.
Ditto for the Groupe Jean-Pierre Vernant even if they focus on social science.

I know that some people working under Publish or Perish constraint still try to follow the scientific method, but it's a bit lile practicing rose gardening in an elephant den, the results are not guaranteed...

@ccamara One thing I'd like to see is a transition away from making frequent conference travel a de facto requirement for professional success. This may be ancillary to other things that we need to fix, but I think it might relieve some of the burden on the under-funded.

@bstacey @ccamara It's a bigger problem than that, IMO. Single parents, people with disabilities, and so on are harmed by that expectation.

@malone @ccamara Oh, definitely! (I tried to say something longer but floundered for words; thank you for expanding on my comment.)

@malone @bstacey Indeed! I was talking about something similar some hours ago: how women in science are so burdened dealing with work, housework and cares during 's lockdown while men get more publications. That's bad in many ways, and worse in science and in a culture scholar.social/@ccamara/104154

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