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Anyone written or read a Heideggerian ecological criticism of Pinker’s scientism? I think there could be something there.

@jaranta I'm wary about using one fascist goon to combat another...

@Aepasek There's a lively and long discussion in philosophy about Heidegger's Nazism and whether that taints his whole thinking. I think the cautious consensus is that there is still value there, even if you have to be careful in how you read him. Especially in philosophy of technology his thinking has proven to be of lasting value.

Pinker, I think, is more of a naive technocratic liberal, so I'm not sure calling him a fascist does neither him nor the term justice.

@jaranta @Aepasek There is a similar, very heated, debate around the two German scholars who are credited with foundational work on autism, Kanner and Asperger. So also Japanese philosophers such as Nishida and Nishitani, who were engaged in dialogue with German philosophers leading up to WWII. For folks who have tracked the debates around Heidegger, the book _Pruning the Bodhi Tree_ offers a Japanese parallel of self-criticism on both philosophical and moral grounds. I'm not sure there's a general heuristic for how to tackle these kinds of problem. Not sure this is any help, mind you, but it's vaguely related.

@wbtd Thanks for mentioning this! Really interesting parallel that I didn't know of.

@jaranta I work in the philosophy of tech, and think (as you might guess) that it's best to approach his entire work and methodology as (sympathetic to) fascist ideology. His useful ideas can be found in other traditions, without the same slant.

And, as for Pinker, the race 'science', gender essentialism, and uncritical veneration/nostalgia for earlier European traditions mirror a lot of Heidegger's mistakes. Plus the fascists sure love him.

@jaranta This is all to say that it seems like drawing from one to critique the other would necessarily leave a lot of fundamental assumptions unchallenged...

@Aepasek Sure! I was thinking only of how the ecological critique could show how problematic Pinker's "everything is better"-narrative is. That does leave a lot room for assumptions.

@jaranta @Aepasek I had the same thought myself as I pasted it. Gotta love web platforms using long hashes for filenames.

@Aepasek Hey, could you recommend me some reading about those other traditions?

@jaranta For sure! Sarah Ahmed's Queer Phenomenology & new book on use are really good. Infrastructure studies (Bowler & Starr, Thrift, Graham, ect.) already do the revealing through breaking thing. The art stuff seems frankly unusefully sentimental and Fanon/Ruha Benjamin can pick up the existentialist/enframement stuff from an anti-racist perspective.

It's one of those 'no one has any new ideas' things, or maybe more of a parallel evolution problem....

@Aepasek Hey, I'm trying to find the literature you suggested, but I'm not sure I'm finding the right ones. Can you tell me some specific references for infrastructure studies?

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