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wasn’t selected for the summer school thing I wanted to do for fun. they said they had a lot of demand and gave precedence to ppl whose research was close to the topic. fair enough, mine wasn’t directly related.

but I was just informed of a biology summer school about the tools we want to appropriate for nefarious linguistics purposes. applying now, if I'm selected I'll infiltrate the life sciences ppl and report back

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@melissaboiko biology tools to be appropriated for linguistics purposes? I'm really curious about what the tools and purposes are, sounds really interesting. (tho wouldn't mind if you want/need to keep it secret)

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@cadadr nah no secret :) we want to use phylogenetic inference methods to reconstruct dialect trees from our database of Japanese tones. other linguists have done promising work on this, incl. with Bayesian phylo tools like BEAST; but to our knowledge nobody has done tones yet, & it's not super clear how to go about it or if our fieldwork data is even adequate for BEAST's assumptions.

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@cadadr the relevance of tones as characters is that (in the case of Japanese) they preserve more information than lexicon (the usual choice of data for phylogenetics). J tones have been shown to be relatively stable (low mutation rate) and resistant to areal borrowing (=lateral transfer), when compared with other ling features.

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@melissaboiko so IIUC you'll try to do some hierarchical clustering representing syn- and/or diachronic divergence based on tone? Is it word or phrase melody you're looking at?

It sound really cool, will you post links/cits here if this leads to papers/theses/&c? I'd be really interested in reading those.

BTW I've read a couple papers by Tang & van Heuven that try to cluster Chinese dialects based on mutual intelligibility experiments. Can send citations if you're interested.

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@cadadr diachronic only; lexical tone. I will post about it ofc :BlobCat: if you're curious about the motivation for using J tone in historical reconstruction of dialect trees, check out my advisor's book: de Boer’s "The Historical Development of Japanese Tone".

for now my focus is on historical reconstruction, I think intelligibility would focus too much on recent/areal/levelled traits (e.g. J Izumo and Tsugaru are v unintelligible but closely connected historically)

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@cadadr for phylogenetic methods in linguistics the work I'm following is that of the Max-Planck-Institut, Mattis List has a ton of fascinating experiments: lingulist.de/papers.html

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@melissaboiko Thanks a lot for the info! Looking forward to your publications!

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