Am here for the ban discourse.

How people negotiate their data privacy/rights is an area that really interests me.

Does allowing a ban on this app set precedent for the government to be able to ban other apps they deem harmful?


Is the agreement of this ban by some groups to do more with the content and main demographic of TikTok users rather than actual privacy concerns?

If it’s concerns, how do they justify other apps and services that gather and track data similarly, i.e. , , etc.?

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@mirandabriseno I'm not an expert, but I suspect the example set by India is relevant here. India banned TikTok not because they particularly care about *privacy concerns* but rather *national security.*

FB and Instagram etc. are American companies, not Chinese companies, so the US government doesn't care that those companies collect data that they're willing to give to the US government.

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@eleanorkonik I can see that, but should US citizens be worried about what precedent that sets?

What would then stop the US government from saying that, for example, a popular US-based app used by activists to organize is a threat to national security?

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@mirandabriseno Oh US citizens should be 100% worried about a lot of things right now.

The thing is, the precedent it would set depends entirely on how the White House goes about enacting such a ban.

China and India have national-scale blocking capability and the USA currently doesn't. If the USA develops said capacity, we're way out of worrying about "legal precedent for other American apps" and straight into tyranny.

But what's more likely is ... [cont.]

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@mirandabriseno ...putting TikTok on a restricted trade list, effectively banning American companies from doing business with TikTok's parent company, because that list can't be used for American companies because it uses *export* laws.

If they tried to block US companies from doing business with other US companies the precedent it sets would be a lot less concerning than already-extant precedents, like for example:

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@mirandabriseno From a "the government messing around with popular US-based messenger apps" perspective, more relevant and powerful / impactful precedents would probably be antitrust laws, not anti-foreign-company laws.

The US Government already has the power to force FB MSGR to divest its holdings, for example.

If they tried to block something like, say, Signal? The technical challenges would be ... significant, because the US gov't would have to block GAE and AWS.

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@eleanorkonik Oh okay, that makes sense to me. I learned so much from this (and clearly have much more to), so thank you! :)

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@mirandabriseno the intersection of American policy and technology is very interesting and very complicated. I am not an expert but I do try to keep up with things. I'm the kind of person who tagged along with programmer friends to DefCon and enjoyed the public policy track, but am not a programmer myself.

Hit me up if you ever have follow-up questions :D

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@eleanorkonik Can you share any resources or favorite sites/blogs/sources that you keep up with on the topic?

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@mirandabriseno Oh, man. I mostly follow the lawfare podcast (I think it's called "rational security") and pay attention to the hacker news bot and what people here on mastodon are saying. BIG by Matt Stoller is an email newsletter I also find really useful.

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