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RT @sivavaid@twitter.com Quitting Facebook lets Google and Twitter off the hook. It lets AT&T off the hook. It lets Comcast off the hook. And it does nothing to hurt Facebook. Facebook does not care about one among 2.2 billion users. Act as a citizen, not a Facebook user. Demand regulation.

I honestly think all of these arguments come from people who for some reason can't bring themselves to leave Facebook. Yes, large structural change is needed, but you should also close your account. The site has one purpose: collect and sell your data and show you ads. That's it.

Does your own household recycling matter? No. We do it anyway and hope that as a society we'll all do it. Does your boycotting of corporations that support evil politicians matter alone? No. We do it anyway and hope many will join us. Boycotts work as a tactic. Boycott Facebook.

Michael 🚀 @omanreagan
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Most importantly, stop putting institutional events on Facebook, stop using it at universities, stop making participation in Facebook mandatory through your institutional, organization, and activist roles. You can be online, and social, and connected without supporting Facebook.

"Facebook is, to put the matter bluntly, a deeply untransparent, out-of-control company that encroaches on its users’ privacy, resists regulatory oversight and fails to police known bad actors when they abuse its platform." politico.com/magazine/story/20

@omanreagan you have lost the day you gave your data to a company.

@omanreagan Same, but for Vkontakte
То же самое но для Вконтакте

@omanreagan I think we need either one alternative platform that we all use (for events); or an easy way to federate or link various platforms, but I totally agree -- we should be using FOSS and ideally coops for these activities.

@Matt_Noyes There are alternative platforms. But you have to select one. I think this is already disagreable for many humans.

@Matt_Noyes @omanreagan

"One alternative platform" nope. You run into the same problems as facebook does. Bundling a billion people into one big platform doesn't work without making a lot of money either as donation or any other way. Federation works because you have communities and enthusiasts who are willing to spend $30-50 per month for a server which can handle a few thousand users. We also solve the different privacy laws per country problem with federation :)

@omanreagan I wish there were better tools to do these things off of Facebook.

@ajroach42 @omanreagan meetup, eventrbite and moodle for universities? Off the top of my head..

@Brennan @ajroach42 @omanreagan I've heard of this before. My university just used moodle and office365 accounts..aka email and calendars for events and such. Never had any issues tbh 🤷

@mikedd How exactly other cebttalised, proprietary, for-profit platforms like eventbrite or meetup are better than facebook?

As far as I can rembember, eventbrite's terms of use are shitty…

@ajroach42 @omanreagan

@mikedd What about using/recommending better tools (decentralised libre software), or of it doesn't exist yet, build/fund it?

@ajroach42 @omanreagan

@devnull @ajroach42 @omanreagan yeah that's what I meant. What would you recommend? I can't really think of any since I don't use anything for those kind of tasks..

@mikedd Well, that's a good question. My needs are quite simple (knowning who'll be there and/or deciding which moment suits most people) so I use Framadate

framadate.org/

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@devnull @ajroach42 @omanreagan oh sweet never heard of this! Will have a look :)
Also, if you didn't already know about this, there's a huge collection of stuff here prism-break.org/

@mikedd Thanks for the link. But do you know who's behind this behind prism-break? Some data is out of date

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@devnull @ajroach42 @omanreagan no idea but yeah, some of it is out of sync. Also if you want the same thing but for android..again, dunno who maintains it but here we go droid-break.info/

@devnull @mikedd @omanreagan

The EFF is behind it, aren't they?

But it was launched around the time of the Prism disclosure. That was a long time ago.

@mikedd @omanreagan Sure. But also, these are mostly more silos with the same problem as facebook on a smaller scale.

We need a federated open-source and reasonably secure event management option.

@ajroach42 @mikedd @omanreagan or you could subscribe to a mailing list and send each other calendar invites.

It's old school, but surely a better option? (Need encryption? No problem! That's what Keybase & PGP is for)

@omanreagan they have a thing called workplace that is £3 a month and used for work. my boss loves it and has just moved everyone to it.

they say as you're paying you are incontrol of the data, I don't believe it and will be using it as little as possible

@omanreagan is there a *good* alternative to fb's group/event function, because I am never going to be able to pry certain people away from that monstrosity unless there is

@jannamark @omanreagan It's the egg and the chicken : there will never be a "good" alternative, until there is.

Media network need critical mass. Until then, you will basically be alone, and it will be under-developed in terms of features .. because there are no users to ask / test them, an too few contributors.

So at some point, we - the nerdy people - must take the lead on adoption and say "yes, we gonna build or pick a thing, and join it and bring life in it, until the critical mass is there"...

@aleks @omanreagan I am hoping you can make a recommendation, please. The community: a loose-knit and far flung group of people

who get together in different combinations and different public venues to make music for people (for free, donations cheerfully accepted)

We need a private and secure place to discuss and plan gigs, share info, music, pictures, video among ourselves, without endangering anyone's privacy/employability, no matter how stuck up their boss/corporation, plus a public face.

@aleks
A very good point. What do you think of supporting the #aardwolf project? We don't have a minimally viable product yet, but we are getting there, and could really use devs and testers.

We aim to #replacefacebook in much the same way Mastodon replaces Twitter. Open source, federated, and interoperable with Mastodon, diaspora, and more.

If you're interested, you can read more about the project at aardwolf.social/
@omanreagan @jannamark@octodon.socia

@omanreagan @angristan I can't even count the number of times I've been completely lost because "like us on facebook" was the only available option to get updates about something.

@omanreagan how institutions and organizations should deal with federated social networks?
- make an "official" account somewhere?
- start their own instance?

@racuna @omanreagan very good question. Some start with mastodon.social there are some who have own instances

@omanreagan I won't use any service that uses facebook. It's laaame.

@omanreagan @angristan I agree but trying to get ppl to change when they don't feel like anything bad has personally happened to them is difficult. Idealogy alone will not compel enough people to change. Some bad experience with Facebook will. That's from my experience trying to get people off of it anyway.

@omanreagan
I absolutely hate it when organizations use FB as their main or even only online presence. It is maddening.

@kelbot @omanreagan I'm a member of a local orchid society that does the majority of its communication on its Facebook page so I miss out on everything except for what's in the monthly email newsletter and in person exchanges. It's frustrating.

@omanreagan I'm a librarian at a university library. Frustratingly the library is trying to increase it's use of social media to connect with students because "that's where they are". They have recently added Instagram to compliment existing FB and Twitter. The uni itself and many depts have their own FB or other social media sites. However, moodle is the learning management system and the uni's website is still it's main platform. Social media is still just a sideshow for now.

@nick0515 @omanreagan I agree that this is a challenge! Asking employees to spend work time contributing to one of those platforms is giving the platform free labour, but it is also a way to reach one audience. And the only way to learn if you can do something useful on a platform is to try it. Then there are the library catalogues which try to imitate Google's one-click search, throwing away all the nuanced tools which librarians have spent 4000 years developing ...

@omanreagan That aid, I'd like to see an easily hosted equivalent to events on Facebook.

@whvholst @omanreagan so, ownCloud used to have a way to publicly share calendars. Then they removed it. I implemented it again, plus a way to link-share individual events, but my pull request never got merged, and so it lives in limbo: github.com/rysiekpl/calendar

@nextcloud does not seem to have that functionality either, sadly.

@omanreagan

University of Twente has a Mastodon instance run by @hiemstra

The IR community has a Mastodon instance run by me arjen@idf.social

MIT also runs an instance.

Let's see how they fare - non-techies tend to care about the end user functionality only, that is sharing info; so if that offered is sufficient, they may switch over!

@omanreagan I never use facebook -- and I feel just fine

@omanreagan This. My ving tsun school does everything through Facebook, and it's genuinely irksome.

@omanreagan
Yes.
It's what just prevented me from using watsi: they require fb from their donees!
Fuck that.
Them and the cbc can go jump.
I will not support them.