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I like to think of them both as laboratories for better infrastructures and as barricades against the systems of capture that are in place.

While capitalist social media commodified them thoroughly, there are collectively created resources in digital social networks worth struggling over.

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@tobbsn @wion as I say in the paper: these places are *so* valueable as a way to concretely start thinking of how things could otherwise be.

On of the major consequences of commercial social media is that many have stopped thinking about how the things they use are made and therefore can be unmade and remade in ways which favor other outcomes.

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> many have stopped thinking about how the things they use are made

I'd rather say: the design of "large scale communication platforms" has been moving towards transparency through the removal of any friction that it becomes increasingly hard to think about how they are made. And as long as design in the communal space is idealizing the lack of friction as well, the results will be similar. (See official Mastodon app.)

In my understanding it shouldn't be on the users to do the work of reflecting on systems, it's not an "individual responsibility."

@despens @rra @tobbsn @wion Dragan do you mean by that you think the design should enable reflection, or something more?

@benbyrne @rra @tobbsn @wion I don't think design needs to enable reflection explicitly. Formulating that as a goal is kind of dangerous even :D

But design should strive to give most power to users. With computers, that power is almost always accessible at the seams, in between software and protocols, and is perceived as friction that needs to be eliminated. For instance people are annoyed that they need to log in somewhere, but that allows them to assume another identity. People are annoyed that they have to copy-paste data in between software when it could be automatically imported, but that allows them to handle data from unforeseen sources.

Each of these friction points opens up the potential for the user to reflect.

If you want to get into this, I'd recommend mitpress.mit.edu/9780262524490 and books.ub.uni-heidelberg.de/art

@despens @rra @tobbsn @wion Thanks. Well put. And I will check out the book. @p_hase and I often talks about the importance of friction, or the user power and input that is framed as friction.

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